Christopher Bruso ([info]drak_slime) wrote,
@ 2005-09-30 15:48:00
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Seperation Anxiety
Insert Credit, it's about time you and I had a talk.

I've been a member of Insert Credit for a while, since about the time legalstep graced us with his awesome presence. I stayed mostly because of 4 people: DonMarco, Rud13, legalstep, and swimmy. (I didn't recognize the superiority of Another god's or Toups' posts yet). Out of those 4, DonMarco is on his own forums, legalstep is pretty much hated and modded into oblivion, and swimmy has stopped posting. Rud13 is still there, but I don't seem to agree with him much, although he's still one of the best guys around. So the original reasons I started posting at Insert Credit just aren't there.

And lately, I haven't had much reason to post there. It isn't because I don't want to discuss games in a serious manner, it's just that I don't feel like I'm on the same wavelength as everyone else. People like Aderack and Ajutla seem to be in the business of playing video games for far different reasons than I do, and we can't really seem to relate. I probably look like a simple-minded idiot to them, while they increasingly seem to look like highly polite intellectual trolls to me. We aren't going to agree, and Insert Credit is pretty much their turf. I just don't feel like I belong, now. Again, different wavelength.

Even worse is the Insertcredit channel on IRC. I really don't feel I belong there. They feel like an extension to the GAF forums than Insert Credit. I get on there because I want to make jokes and talk about games. Quite frankly, I don't understand why a lot of people are in there. They talk about anime and call people fags and link gross pictures they found via Google Image Search. I'm not saying those things don't have their place, but I go there to talk about video games and I'm not getting that, really. I try to fit in and really, I have come to the conclusion that I can't.

I've been posting on hell.oddwebsite.com for a while now, too, and I get the sense that something there is evolving. In the year and a half that I've been there, we've gone from a forum about making jokes to...something else. Something I can't describe in words. We make fun of people who are newcomers, but for the few that are accepted, it's a tight-knit community. We talk to each other through AIM about things, and we all feel we know each other. I tell people things I wouldn't admit to on this LiveJournal, and they reciprocate.

Insert Credit doesn't have that, and I want it, badly. And if it doesn't get it soon or improve in the other areas, I'm going to leave. Not because I want to, but because I feel that forums can transcend beyond what they are at Insert Credit, and we're...not. I don't know why this is, and I wish I had the answer, because I'd do my best to get Insert Credit to the next state of evolution.

Which brings me to my question: where should I go?

The little derivatives of Insert Credit seem to have many of the bad traits that the original Insert Credit has, though for different reasons. Don't Press Start is close to what I'm describing as desirable, but hasn't achieved critical mass yet due to a low population. The Gamer's Quarter forums are awesome, perhaps because people go there to talk about games and only games and we focus our efforts on that, but ironically, because of this we'll never turn into a real community, a tight-knit family of friends. So. Where do you go to talk about games? And, do you have any suggestions as to what can be done about Insert Credit? I want to save it so badly it hurts, but I don't think I can do anything about it. I ask myself what's wrong with the forums and channel, how I can get them to evolve, and I get the response "???, I need more data!" back. There's some element here I'm missing, something that hasn't been examined correctly or perhaps not at all.

I'm frustrated. I need to go someplace else. A trial seperation, if you will, until I figure out this whole mess. I simply don't have the answers to my question right now.



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[info]legalstep
2005-09-30 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Wow, so much of that was right on. DPS is still new but give it time. I noticed LargePrimeNumbers didn't make your list. Balbanes has that affect on people.

I found old IC stuff in the google cache the other day and it made me miss what it was a year before it got deleted. I like Hell more than IC now too, as soon as I'm unbanned I will be better poster.

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[info]drak_slime
2005-09-30 05:30 pm UTC (link)
LPN is okay, but it's hard to consider it a real forum. There just isn't enough people there. I think Tim was better off with his LiveJournal than having a site, because people had easy access to comments.

Honestly if I could resurrect IC with dark necromancy I would, but I just don't have the powa. Remember that sig with Goku SSJ getting punched in the nuts repeatedly? It's gone, now. Jiji removed it. And I don't think he understood the principle behind its creation. It made the world just a tiny bit better, if in an immature way. I'm chuckling right now thinking of it, actually. If it has a positive effect on people I don't see what's wrong with it, but jiji killed it anyway without even understanding the humor, I think. That sickens me.

I'm not saying jiji is at fault for Insert Credit's stagnation, because that would be a God-damned lie, but he's definitely evidence of the proto-community just not meshing together. I can't do much about it but throw up my hands and try to move away from one of the few forums I've been a part of. I guess my problem is that I just want to be part of something more, and I'm not finding it at Insert Credit, so I have to become a wanderer of the internet yet again, at least until I figure out how I can change IC for the better. It's probably not going anywhere soon, but it's not going anywhere interesting, which is kind of the problem. And without the answers, I feel like I'm part of the problem, too.

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[info]skankinclams
2005-09-30 09:07 pm UTC (link)
There's a piece of it. I think we all kind of thought, we've thought of everything what else is there to be done?

Let me reread your post, and I'll continue writing here.

There doesn't seem to be any group cultural energy anymore. The last thing the forum did as a whole was Pongism.

When I visit the forums now, it's to delete double posts, look for messed up html, see if I need to report a pornbot to jiji. There is this bit of emptiness and dividing factor in forums, and then the new regulars don't have half the sense of identification the old ones did. You could tell it was a post by Aderack, you, me, or special_blend just by the body of text. Now I couldn't tell you what the hell the difference of opinions are between Dark Iron Age Savior and Desseegaga.

Also we now have people that are down right hateful of others opinions. Balbanes being the most promintent example. That and whether they'll admit it or not, The IC mods and admins SEE that DPS has malaicious intent towards IC.

Most of I just wish more people were earnest.

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[info]drak_slime
2005-10-01 04:36 am UTC (link)
I have to agree with what you're saying. As much as I want to defend the new members, I can't. I personally think that it's great that we're getting new members at this point in our lifecycle. It's a sign of health, of vitality. But the problem is, how many of those new members do I really want to talk to? The best I can do, really, is respect their opinions; I can't force myself to care. The new bunch just don't seem to be meshing with the old bunch, there's a gap in communication somewhere and no one can seem to solve it.

I'll probably keep posting there, but really, it's more of a frustrating exercise in futility than the natural way to begin or end my day, like it used to be. I think Insert Credit was the best thing to happen on the internet, and just wish I could save it. But it's outside of the realm of my power to do so, and unless the place sees some drastic change, the community isn't going to evolve into what I think it could be.

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[info]skankinclams
2005-09-30 05:09 pm UTC (link)
I'll expand upon this later, I need to collect my thoughts on it first.

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[info]mrlonghair
2005-09-30 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I was one of the original people who left that IC community, and I don't regret a thing.

Filled with tards, and not many cool people. Run by some cool people, and many tards. (the forum and the channel that is, the website is alright)

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[info]drak_slime
2005-10-01 04:40 am UTC (link)
It was hard for me to come up with the idea of possibly leaving. It's not like I don't love the place, you see; I really do. Almost everything about it I like: the atmosphere, a lot of the people, the free exchange of ideas. But I'm getting this nagging feeling that we're going in the wrong direction somehow, and it would take a Herculean effort that I'm not capable of to change its course.

Anyway, is there any other community that you go to with similarities to IC?

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[info]mrlonghair
2005-10-01 07:31 am UTC (link)
I spend time with forums.somethingawful.com and www.shacknews.com nowadays. SA is worth the $10

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[info]swimmy
2005-10-01 08:11 am UTC (link)
I was one of IC's defenders for a long time. I didn't leave because it suxxored (like everyone else who's just so cool), I just decided I didn't have time to read all the posts in a forum that large anymore. I want to be able to separate myself from the internet for a few weeks and not lose anything, or not have to spend much time catching up.

And I've gotta say, I may have been depressed out of my gourd this last month, but life is substantially better not reading IC. It's sad to admit it after all this time, but now I have to be like Binjuice et al. and proclaim, "yeah dat place suxx0rz." It's a chore; it's too large, and there's too much noise.

I popped in when We <3 Katamari came out to see what people were saying about it. They weren't saying anything about it. The only conclusion I could come to is that they're a bunch of hipsters who were afraid to talk about it for looking uncool, since so many people ended up loving the first one and it got genuinely popular. And I don't really like hipsters.

You may have noticed I've jumped ship to TGQ. I figured I might as well post in the forums since I'm going to be writing for it. I'm liking it. I think there's some cohesiveness there, at least among the writers. (The stragglers who are just commenting on the magazine really stand out.)

If you're searching for a community of friends, why look any further than your LJ friends page? LJ is pretty much a discussion forum - it's just that topics die faster and we consider self-indulgent posts less taboo.

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[info]drak_slime
2005-10-01 10:11 am UTC (link)
That made a lot of sense.

TGQ is too small for me, I guess. I want a forum that is small enough that I can be familiar with almost everyone, but large enough that I can get feedback on things. I'd post more in TGQ, but I feel like five people, tops, might read it. Besides, I'm really looking for a community, and...well, TGQ is still evolving, I think. I really like the atmosphere of the place, though.

On Livejournal--well, Livejournal isn't self-sustaining. That sentence didn't make any sense. What I mean is, I learned of the people on my LJ list through Insert Credit. I don't get the sense that I'm going to find many new people through LJ, and for that it's unacceptable as a community. I wish I knew what I was talking about, here, but the truth is I don't. I'm not sure exactly what I want, and all I'm doing is gesturing wildly for the proportions of a thing I've never seen before.

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[info]mr_mechanical
2005-10-03 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Lately the forums at Insert Credit have been irritating me and I know I should just stop reading them but they're really the only place I check for videogame stuff(and the fact that I e-know a bunch of people there doesn't help any either so I feel your pain) outside of livejournal and TGQ. It used to be everything there had a lighthearted zest about it, though lately it seems people are just taking that shit way too seriously. It's a fucking videogame forum, for Christ's sake! What is there to get angry about?

I digress. I guess you could be like me and just stop posting there and check out livejournal and TGQ from time to time. I really keep meaning to post more at GQ because serious discussions are a lot easier to have over there without the kind of noise you get at IC but something seems to be holding me back. I can't quite place it. Perhaps I just dislike internet forums in general because the anonymity factor tends to bring out the worst in people, I don't know. That's not really a problem at GQ so that can't be entirely it.

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